So I’m thumbing through one of the latest “here are the new cars” periodicals (I don’t spend much time with them…I don’t care much if a Mazda sedan and out perform a VW sedan…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz) and ran across that stated “Chrysler looks to the ‘Cuda to replace Dodge‘s Challenger.”
Ok…come on heee…er (New York accent). Didn’t we just have the conversation about the “Dodge Dart“??? Like how it looked more like a Neon!!! And correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t we all agree that the Charger was a cool as “Honda Accord“? Yes, I believe we did!
So now lets take the Challenger the one they got “right’ in a retro sense. So why replace it? Well some could argue in the 70’s the Cuda was a better looking car and you know they bring a lot more money. So just maybe….but read this!!!
“A Barracuda replacement would be much more trim, though still on a RWD platform. Chrysler and…(cough) Fiat are said to be jointly developing a new platform that’s smaller the current Charger… Gille’s Barracuda will be far less literal interpretation of its namesake.”
So let me see if I have this straight….you’re gonna take the Challenger that looks somewhat similar the orig…and you’re gonna replace it with a car that won’t look like this original?
Ok, so one engine plant is located in Canada and the other Ohio. What else is different?
The 351 Windsor (biggest displacement of the Windsor family – which included the 289 and 302) had a beefier block than the Cleveland, which in theory allowed for more abuse and longer life-span.
The Windsor also came first in the history being used from 1969 to 1998.
The Cleveland was used from 1970 to 1974 (much, much shorter run), with 1971 bringing 351 C Cobra Jet.
Unlike the Windsor the Cleveland had canted multi-grooved valves. It also required larger rounded intake and exhaust ports.
There is another major difference and that was how the engined were cooled. No we aren’t talking water vs. air (these weren’t VW engines) we are talking about water flow.
Like the 289 and 302 the 351W used a front cover and water existed the intake manifold face of the cylinder head through intake manifold to the radiator. The 351C don’t have the front cover. The block is extended and the covered with a flat stamping. Water existed the combustion face of the head and into the block and then to the radiator. This is important to note, particularly for me. Why:
The Cleveland and Windsor heads are interchangeable only with modifications to the water passage. I currently have a set of 351C Cobra Jet heads to put on my Windsor family 302. I’ll have to have those mods done when I have the heads rebuilt.
Not the same location as the 302 Windsor.
There you have the basic differences between the Cleveland and Windsor families.
I have a Ford and as I’ve said before, though the years (ok….40’s, 50’s and 60’s) they produced some of the more interesting cars with some of the most powerful engines. Of those engines the Cleveland and the Windsor were major players.
I’m not alone thinking that the only real difference between the two were the names each being made in the plant they were named after. The Windsor was named after the Essex Engine plant in Windsor, Ontario and the Cleveland Engine Plant in Ohio.
1914 Photo of the Essex Engine plant in Windsor, Ontario
Cleveland Casting Plant where the Cleveland engines started.
Totally different plants and countries about the only they had in common was displacement.
Right on the verge of the gas crisis, the ’74 models were a mixed bag of old school horsepower and new school power choking fog reduction hardware. This Impala was in fact still a V8 with the power of the a 1960’s 6 cylinder.
Now I love the Impala models and if you’ve read a recent post I wrote I think 4 doors are under valued and with the right tweaks can achieve the power desired to make them a muscle car.
This Chevy was sitting outside a local CVS store with a for sale sign.
4 door with stamped steel wheels and poverty hub caps
This one is for the C4 crowd (You digging this one Tony Z.?) There will be two winners one from Corvette Pals and one from my blog. Here is what I’m looking for. I use to auto cross my 1984 Crossfire (still do SCCA with my C6) and I love to see the C4 in action.
So post of a video of your C4 in action (action photos are ok too!) – Nothing illegal (snicker) or unsafe, mind you. Burn outs, auto cross, drag strip…Looking for some action shots. Post them up at https://www.facebook.com/pages/Average-Guys-Car-Restoration-Mods-and-Racing/185827701454279 and mention The Average Guy’s Car Restoration, Mods and Racing blog.
OH…what’s the prize? How about a 1984 Red Corvette promo model in the original box or a 1984 Silver C4? These are the model cars the dealerships give away. Can’t win if you don’t play…can’t win if you ain’t got a C4!!!! Game on!!!
1984 Silver C4 Promo Model - Yes those are Mustangs in the back ground!!!
You are going to like this pics from Red Stripe Adventure’s blog. The lowered Lincoln in stealth black and you have to agree that Hudson looks great – in spite of the WWII aircraft theme.
Thanks for reading.
Not only is there a ton of beautiful cars at Barrett-Jacksonauctions, there are also a lot of venders. Anything from car care products, to engine builders to custom building shops.
One of those was Karl Kustom Corvettes located in Des Moines, Ia. I had a chance to speak with Jim Hidy one of the reps for Karl Kustom at the auction this past January.
SWEET!!!!
Nice looking car, yes? HELL YES. But there some interesting things I didn’t know about these custom Vettes and how they are made.
I spoke with Jim at length and I have to tell you that how I thought these were made wasn’t even close and how they are made was pretty surprising to me. Jim set me straight.
Great Creation
These are of course C6 machines with the look of the 60’s Vettes. All the great handling and power of the C6 underpinning and classic looks. I thought ‘how cool they manufacture a body that snaps on the C6 frame. But that’s not how it’s done.
