Choosing Chassis Mods for Rods & Muscle Cars

 

Posted By John Katz, July 16, 2012 in Chassis & Suspension, E-News

From HotRodandRestoraiton.com

Back when today’s classic muscle cars were the baddest new arrivals at the local Dairy Whip, chassis upgrades consisted of dropped spindles, lowering blocks and, maybe, traction bars. Since then, we’ve seen the performance aftermarket move from heavy-duty springs, shocks and sway bars through bolt-on front and rear subframes to complete replacement chassis—all with increasing sophistication and with the end nowhere in sight.

Like so much else in the hot rod market, the demand for a more-sophisticated chassis is driven by the high levels of performance and refinement that folks can now buy right off the showroom floor.

“People love nostalgia but we’ve been spoiled by modern daily drivers that are really good cars,” said Jeff Schwartz, president of Schwartz Performance Inc. in Woodstock, Illinois. Even compared to what was available just a few years ago “a new Chevy Malibu or Ford Taurus handles amazingly well, so people who have a bought a collectible car, after they’ve had it for a while, they say, ‘Man, this isn’t what I thought it would be.’”

That’s your cue, of course, to offer your customers something better, so I surveyed the market not only to find out what’s available, but also who’s buying what parts for which cars.

Money for Muscle

The first thing I found out is that the real action in aftermarket chassis is happening mostly in the muscle car arena.
“The muscle car segment remains the most robust and promising,” said Bret Voelkel, president of RideTech in Jasper, Indiana. “We see the level of modification and investment in these cars taking the same path that street rods took in the early ’90s: extreme quality, lots of horsepower and lots of time invested for creature comforts.”

Mike Hawley, sales manager for Heidts Hot Rod Shop Inc. in Wauconda, Illinois, also reported “significant growth in the muscle car market, and in ’50s and ’60s pickups,” he said. “The Tri-Five market has always been strong but now this segment also wants better handling.”

Dave Kass, customer service lead for QA1 Precision Products in Lakeville, Minnesota, has “seen a growing interest in Pro-Touring ’60s and ’70s muscle cars,” he said. “It seems this trend has shifted the emphasis from straight-line performance to corner-carving and all-around superior handling. These new goals require a more-advanced overall suspension package than these cars once needed—including more-sophisticated shock absorbers. Adjustable shocks and tubular control arms help shave weight and allow these cars to corner smoother and more predictably.”

The G-Body Generation

Schwartz even sees “the street rod market declining, and muscle cars gaining momentum,” he said. “It’s the demographics, the age of the people who are buying and building cars.” And these young rodders are looking for an even higher level of performance. “We’re in a good time, when you can have a 1,000-horsepower twin-turbo street engine that you can drive every day,” Schwartz said.

On the other hand, these same younger buyers don’t want to spend as much buying a car to rebuild. “So instead of a rusted-out ’69 Camaro for $10,000–15,000,” they’ll spend $1,500–2,000 on a 1978–1988 Buick Regal or Chevrolet Monte Carlo. “They were 18 in ’84 when the Buick Grand National was new, or in ’83 when the Monte Carlo SS came out, and those are the cars they idolized,” Schwartz said.

Voelkel agreed.

“A growing number of hot rodders recognize the ’78–’88 GM G-bodies as tomorrow’s mainstream muscle cars,” he said. “They are stylish, available and affordable.”

Mild or Wild?
Of course, every customer has different expectations and a different budget. You’re not going to make many friends if you disappoint the former or seriously exceed the latter. The best way to avoid either is always to ask the right questions before you close the deal.

“The first question to ask the customer is, ‘What are you going to do with the car?’” Voelkel advised. “Components such as 14-inch brakes, triple-adjustable shocks, independent rearends and zoomy subframes all serve their purpose, but with simpler components and thoughtful modifications, the customer can likely go 95 percent as fast for 50 percent of the money. Our triple-adjustable shocks perform at the highest lever—and we think they are the coolest thing in the world—but they’re overkill for 95 percent of hot rodders who might run two autocrosses a year. A customer can buy single-adjustable shocks instead and invest the remaining $650 in tires, brakes or track-day fees.”

“The most-critical step is to determine the end goal of the project,” Kass agreed. “Is the car going to be a cruiser built for comfort, a weekend warrior to be driven hard or a full-out purpose-built race car?”

“Customers have to be brutally honest about their goals—and their pocketbooks,” added Brent VanDervort, president and founder of Fatman Fabrications in Charlotte, North Carolina. “With a limited budget, limited fabricating skills and a desire for reasonable performance, bolt-on upgrades make a lot of sense. You see this regularly with the typical resto-mod muscle car that has been modified with dropped spindles, bigger sway bars and disc brakes. For a very reasonable outlay of cash and time, one can get a very capable car. We proved that in the first Super Chevy Challenge with a ’70 Chevelle powered by an iron big block. With $3,260 worth of bolt-on parts, we ran in the middle of the pack, on street tires, against LS1-powered ’69 Camaros with custom IFS [and high-performance rubber] and we proved how viable the low-dollar approach can be. But that Chevelle would never be a contender for Muscle Car of the Year.

“Building a high-end competitive muscle car that can run and show with the best requires a different mindset, abilities and budget,” VanDervort continued. “In fact, the word ‘budget’ is best forgotten. The very latest drivetrain, suspension and body mod tricks will be required, but usability and affordability go away. There is a continuum from practical to radical that cannot be denied. At the extreme, these cars become as unattainable as a quarter-million-dollar ’32 Ford.”
Kass pointed out a common error.

“We see people ordering shocks, springs, rod ends and other suspension components well before the rest of the chassis is put together,” he said. “They select parts based on educated guesses and some rough measurements. It’s better to wait until the brackets are fabricated and the vehicle is assembled. This allows for accurate measurements of dimensions and weights, and saves the headache of a vehicle that does not sit or ride the way the customer intended.”

“Another key issue is to avoid mixing suspension components from different manufacturers,” Hawley added. “That’s just asking for fitment, performance and reliability problems. The last thing you want is to have to return parts because of incompatibility. Our products are designed to work as a system, so you are assured that everything fits and that you have access to service support from a single source throughout the build.”

This last can be particularly important because of production tolerances.

“It’s important to recognize that, even as they left the factory, no two cars were ever built exactly the same,” Hawley said. If a car has been crashed and rebuilt, critical dimensions may vary even further from the factory’s specification. Such variations can cause fitment problems for even the most carefully engineered aftermarket kits. “That’s where it really helps to have access to expert technicians with years of experience,” Hawley added. The result is “optimized customer satisfaction.”

“It is so, so important to make sure the suspension components you choose are compatible with each other,” Voelkel said. “This means more than just making sure they will bolt up together, it means making sure that the final combination achieves the suspension geometry goals that you intended. A good dealer who handles several different brands should know if the components a customer wants to use are truly compatible with each other. But, truly, the best way to do this is to buy a complete system from one manufacturer.”

Handling Hardware

Kass remarked that QA1 “has put a huge emphasis on new product development over the past year,” he said. “We’ve built a new fabrication shop next to our current facility in Lakeville, giving us a total of 60,000 square feet of manufacturing space. That’s allowed us to launch a full line of fabricated suspension components, including anti-hop bars, strut-tower braces, front and rear control arms, anti-roll bars, and more. These components are all designed to improve handling while saving weight. We’ve also developed a full line of direct bolt-in rear coil-over kits for many different makes and models. They allow ride-height adjustability with no major modification to the vehicle.”

Heidts’ Pro-G independent rear suspension won the Innovation Award at the 2011 Hotrod & Restoration Trade Show. The bolt-in kit, which includes upper and lower A-arms, a 9-inch center section with positraction, half-shafts with heavy-duty CV joints, inboard Wilwood brakes with 10.5-inch rotors, and fully adjustable coil overs, is available for 1967–1969 and 1970–1973 Camaros and Firebirds, 1962–1967 Novas, and 1964–1970 Mustangs. With subframe connectors, the assembly bolts up solidly to Heidts’ Pro-G front suspension system, which includes heavy-duty dual crossmembers, tubular control arms, Wilwood brakes, a power rack-and-pinion and, again, fully adjustable coil overs. The front-end kit bolts in to any early Camaro or Nova, according to Hawley, whereas early Mustangs require cutting and welding. The Pro-G system is engineered for up to 600 horsepower.

RideTech recently introduced a Tru Turn suspension system for 1977–1988 G-bodies, “to make them perform as well as they look,” said Voelkel. The package covers all of the G-body vehicles and includes springs, shocks, control arms and anti-roll bars for both ends of the chassis. “Our StrongArms control arms are jig-welded, powdercoated and engineered to improve suspension geometry,” Voelkel said. “Our impact-forged mono-tube shocks are available in fixed-valve, rebound-adjustable and triple-adjustable models. Tru Turn is completely bolt-on and compatible with coil overs or our Shockwave components. The kit even includes brackets to convert the rear suspension to coil overs or Shockwaves.”

Also new from RideTech is a Tru Turn system for 1964–1966 Mustangs.

Schwartz Performance builds engines and even complete cars, but lately has been promoting its line of full-length replacement chassis for both body-on-frame and unit-body cars from the classic muscle era, plus the GM G-bodies mentioned before. Sales, Jeff Schwartz reported, “have seen a good amount of growth.” The company offers 20 different chassis, mostly for GM vehicles, covering the 1962–1967 and 1968–1974 Nova (including related X-body variants), 1967–1969 and 1970–1981 Camaro and Firebird, 1964–1967 and 1968–1972 A-body, 1978–1988 G-body, Tri-Five Chevy, and 1947–1953 Chevy truck. Ford Mustangs from 1964–1973 are also covered, as are Mopar B-bodies (1968–1970) and E-bodies (1970–1974).

Schwartz also pointed out that there’s more variation among the various GM brands and models than you might think, and that his company’s chassis are engineered to accommodate these small but significant differences. “A Tempest is different from a Chevelle,” he offered as an example. “The frames are different in length, and the body mounts and bumper mounts are different.”

Such attention to detail makes installation as simple as possible. “For cars that came with a full frame, our chassis literally bolts in where the old frame used to be,” Schwartz said. “The frame rails are narrowed at the rear to clear 345mm tires and if you want that extra-wide rubber, you’ll have to mini-tub the rear wheel wells, but if the customer can live with smaller tires, no cutting is absolutely required. Even for GM unit-body cars that were built with bolt-on subframes (Nova, Camaro, Firebird), the Schwartz chassis is a direct bolt in, requiring at most the cutting of some brackets. With Mustangs and Mopars, of course, the front frame rails must be cut off, but no Schwartz chassis requires any cutting of the body floor.”

Another major feature, according to Schwartz, is serviceability.

“Our A-arms have needle bearings with grease fittings, and our wheel bearings are tapered rollers with a nut on them,” he said. “A lot of other shops use Corvette hubs and bearings, but if they have play in them, you can’t adjust them, you just throw them away.”

The Schwartz rear suspension is based on a GM triangulated four-link, but with a significant upgrade: Teflon-lined spherical rod ends at all attachment points, instead of urethane bushings, eliminate the binding that was built in to the factory original.

Schwartz’s “basic roller” includes the frame spindles, A-arms, four-link bars, a power rack-and-pinion and a rearend housing. Most customers will order the chassis with single-adjustable RideTech shocks and 13-inch, six-piston Wilwood brakes, according to Schwartz. “That setup gives you a smooth ride, with handling very much like a European luxury car,” he said.

Customers who race or autocross can step up to stiffer springs and triple-adjustable RideTech shocks with remote reservoirs.

Service With More Than a Smile
VanDervort expressed “surprise that many hot rodders wishing to upgrade their cars lack the basic mechanical skills to do even normal maintenance,” he said. “They often have more enthusiasm than experience. That makes the need for better instructions, more photos and real[ly] good tech support critical. Simply having people who can take orders by part number will not suffice, and the fact that installers are asking more questions of the manufacturers—rather than self-proclaimed experts on various web forums—reveals who can really support their products.”

If you’re selling to a DIY customer, make sure they have the installation instructions and that they read them “all the way through, a couple of times before beginning the job,” VanDervort said. “Most problems come from not reading the instructions.”

“Look at the manufacturer’s instructions prior to the actual installation,” Kass echoed. “This will give you an idea of how involved the installation will be and, most importantly, an idea of what tools you will need to complete the job. There is nothing worse than tearing something apart and then realizing you don’t have the appropriate tools to put it back together.”

Beyond the Bow Tie
Brent VanDervort of Fatman Fabrications presented a somewhat contrary view regarding the future direction of the hot rod market.

“The boom in muscle car resto-mods may be fading,” he said. “That always happens when a segment gets hot. Cars get better and demand rises, boosting prices along with costs.”

The growth area he believes “is going to be in other 1955–70 cars”—not muscle cars, and not Chevrolets—”for several reasons,” he said. “Compare the prices of a ’61 Chevy bubbletop and the same body style on a ’61 Olds or Buick. The other GM cars are still out there and still available for more reasonable prices.” At a show or cruise, “an unusual brand can get as much attention as an expensive build of a more desirable, but also more common, car,” he said. “Then there are all the Ford vehicles from ’55–’70 to consider.”

Any car from that era doesn’t have as many plastic parts as later cars, so “restoration techniques will be familiar to most hot rodders—many of whom grew up with cars of that era,” VanDervort said. “Since most of these cars came with more advanced ball-joint independent front suspension (rather than the two-part spindle/kingpin of earlier IFS cars) they can be more easily upgraded with bolt-on parts.”

Fatman Fabrications offers dropped, disc-brake-style spindles for many cars of that era.

“We’ve redesigned our dropped spindles for ’55–’68 Fords, so they can be used with more easily sourced calipers, rather than the Granada parts required by our earlier design,” VanDervort said. “We also cover Mercury and Thunderbird for the same range of years. For ’58–’60 Buicks, ’57–’60 Cadillacs, ’58–’62 Oldsmobiles and ’59–’62 Pontiacs we have a 2-inch dropped spindle that can accept rotors with either a 4-3⁄4-inch Chevy pattern (if the customer is changing the rear axle), or a 5-inch pattern (if the stock rear end is retained), and we are continuing to fill in that 1955–’70 range as sample cars become available.”

 

Auto Factoids for Week of Sept 2nd

What went on in history this week in the world automobiles?

Frank Duryea drove the first car he built back in 1893 and just two years later almost to the day Duyrea Motor Co. Incorporated in 1895.

What was Frank driving?

a one-cylinder “Phaeton”

One year later in March 1896, Charles and Frank Duryea offered for sale the first commercial automobile, the Duryea motor wagon. Two months later, New York City motorist Henry Wells hit a bicyclist with his new Duryea. The rider suffered a broken leg, Wells spent a night in jail and the nation’s first traffic accident was recorded.
Frank went on to win the first car race.  A 54 mile event with the winner earning $2000.00.

The racing version!!!

 

The Duryea brother’s car evolved much like the rest of the cars of the era.

1905 Duryea Tourer

and

The 1913 Model C

Sept 4 was a big day for Ford.

First the founder Henry Ford was born in 1917 and 40 years later (1957) the Edsel when on sale.

1958 Edsel Corsair – Really..I don’t think they’re ugly.

 

Just few days later in 1954 Ford began producing the Thunderbird.

 

1954 T-bird

 

And finally for this week Sept 8 (or the 21st???)1903 was the day Preston Tucker was born in Michigan.  Best known for his car:

Way Kool!!!

But little known for his:

 

Armored Car and………….

 

…this fighter plan – The Tucker XP-57

 

Thanks for reading.

Tim

 

 

64 65 66 Mustang 4-5 Lug Front Disc Brake Conversion

I don’t have a 60’s vintage Mustang but I know some of the readers here do.  This is a voice over slide show video, it’s done by a company that sells conversion kits for your 64-66 Mustangs.  It’s a bit dry, but it’s pretty straight forward process.

Thanks for reading.

Tim

Auto Factoids for the week of Aug 26, 2012

Here are your auto factoids for the week of Aug 26.

Aug 27, 1902 the Cadillac company was founded and on the same day in 1877 Charles Rolls was born in London, England.

1902 Caddy The Runabout

Rolls Royce 1904

On the 29th in 1898 Goodyear was incorporated and on the same day Charles Kettering was born in Dayton, Ohio…who?   Well so you don’t have to GOOGLE it ….. He was a founder of Delco, and was head of research at General Motors from 1920 to 1947. Among his most widely used automotive inventions were the electrical starting motor and leaded gasoline.

 

English: Charles F. Kettering, pictured with h...

English: Charles F. Kettering, pictured with his first electric starter. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

 

 

And that finishes up the month of August.

Last chance this month to Win the  1/32 scale  of the 1969 Dodge Coronet Super Bee.   Add a comment and you’ll be entered to win our monthly drawing.

Thanks for reading.

Tim

 

Demise of Olds – What Happened to GM?

Often a comment sparks an entire blog entry.  Nothing gets me going more than a discussion about US auto makers, especially if I can lay out my thoughts about “what’s happened to (insert brand here)”.

In a comment to my Auto Factoids for the Week of Aug 19, 2012 (http://wp.me/pKHNM-1fG) Bill wrote:

“If I were in charge of GM, I would not have left Oldsmobile for death. I liked the idea of ‘Saturn-izing’ Olds into a Lexus level car. There might have been only one, or two models under the Olds badge, but I would not have left the world’s oldest car company for dead.

Oldsmobile was GM’s ‘experimental’ division both in terms of engineering and product marketing. Many automotive firsts such as automatic transmission (Hydramatic), OHV V8s, and even the ‘self winding’ car clock……….Which brings me to the time I find myself saying in many of my comments in your BLOG:
“What happend to GM????””

I’ve mentioned this before,  it never really made any sense to me why you would have so many divisions in a car company as GM did. Some say, it was to offer different levels of options that were affordable on up to expensive.  But lets take the Chevrolet for instance. At one time they had the Biscayne, Belair, Impala and Caprice (and I think that was the correct order from lowest optioned to the highest) as option levels and pricing to reach everyone. This doesn’t seem too bad. But now add in  the other divisions with Chevy being the lowest, then there’s Pontiac, Buick, Olds, and Caddy and I think that would be the correct order for options and pricing as well.  A further break down in what as suppose to be different classes of automobile for different classes of society was the norm for those divisions as well.  For example the Tempest and La Mans, GTO were basically  the same car with different options.

I understand brand/model loyalty, especially at the initial merging/acquisition of a brand, but at some point that stopped being the only valid reason for keeping them separate.  By the time the ’70s and ’80s rolled around they all started looking the same.  For example take the Chevy Monte Carlo for 1978 and compare with the Buick and Olds of the same year:

78 Buick Regal

78 Chevy Monte Carlo

1978 Olds Cutlass

Minus the big tires on the Olds, tell me why I should purchase one over the other or purchase one at all (beside the fact they were fairly ugly)?

Frankly, I would have kept Pontiac over Olds any day but then again the difference between a Camaro and a Firebird in 2000 wasn’t much -but they are both gone now.

2000 Firebird

2000 Camaro

There just wasn’t much different.  They diluted the brand and it became impossible to find any major differences – unless you were a gear head and most consumers were not.

The necessity to cut cost and share parts made it nearly mandatory to have them all made from the same cookie cutter.

Now don’t get me started on the purchase of oversea brands and becoming a finance/mortgage company to defray cost.  (Did you know that at one time GM did more business in home/real estate loans then they did with their core car brands?

I rest my case.

 

Thanks for reading.

Tim

Mustang II Daries 4

Now for Some Tunes

My car came with the standard AM radio, but around here, there aren’t any music stations on AM, just talk shows, so I needed to upgrade.
I wanted a 70s look and feel, so I bought a working 8-track AM/FM from another Mustang II owner. I also bought a new antenna off eBay because the one I had was all rusty.
My dad and brother weren’t available to help on this project and back then I wasn’t confident enough to attempt it myself, so I took everything to Best Buy and asked if they could do it. You can imagine their reaction when I showed up with a 77 Mustang and an 8-track player and one in-dash speaker! But they were up to the challenge (and promised to be careful) and they did an awesome job. Looking back, I can’t believe I want to BEST BUY, but it all turned out OK. Whew!
Eventually I was able to track down on eBay a sealed Ford demo 8-track from 1977 that came with the new models for that year that showed people how 8-tracks worked. It’s a neat piece to have with the radio.
Update: The one speaker in the dash has started to go out on me, so I’m hoping to replace it this summer (2010). I’ll try this project myself, so if you have any tips for me, let me know!

1949 Mercury Coupe Custom For Sale

I have an acquaintance in the great state of Texas and contacted me and wants to sell his 1949 Merc Coupe.  So I’m going to list here and you can contact me directly for any more information.

I think this car is a beauty.

1949 Merc Custom For Sale

Some spec:

1972 GTO  Frame, Front end, Drive train and rear end.

Bagged suspension that rises and lowers – on board compressor and tank

Power steering and Title Iddit steering column and custom steering wheel.

Rebuild 350 GTO engine with Tri-Power 3 Duce Carbs) and Lunati street/strip cam.

Rebuild 350 Automatic Trans w/2600 stall converter – column shift with oil cooler

Custom PPG Black Hot Rod flat paint with flames and pin striping.

Full set of gauges

AC

and a lot lot more!!!  (see the image below).

Great looking coupe!!!

Art Work

Rear Art

Very Unique details!!!

Ok…..hold your breath for this next pic!!!!

OH….YES!!!! That’s Tri-POWER!!!!! Art on the hood and art under the hood!!!!

Custom Interior – On comfy Lincoln Seats – Diamond Tuck Upholstery

Here is the entire list of EXTRAS!!!

Many details here like Dual Electric Antenna, Dual exhaust w/Flo Masters mufflers, Lake pipes – still need the Y to connect up to the exhaust….read on!!!

You can contact me directly at timsweet@cox.net. (I’m filtering out the ‘crazies’ before I pass them on.)

IT IS A STEAL AT  $32,500!!!!!

You know you want this car!!!!

Thanks for reading.

Tim

Engine Pic

Check out this 512!!!

OH MY!!!

 

 

In this!!!!

1965 Dodge Coronet

 

Oh in case you were wondering.   It’s for sale here:

 

http://showroom.auction123.com/powerhouse_car_international/inventory/9466/1965/DODGE/CORNETT/1965DODGECORNETT.html

 

Thanks for reading.

Tim

Watch a V12 being Built

This is another from YouTube.
As watchmaker in a past career I can really appreciated the skills it takes to make this engine.  Having it run when it’s completed is priceless.

Thanks for reading.

Tim