One thing I really hate is a leaky car. I don’t like it when stuff leaks inside the car and I don’t like it when stuff leaks out of the car.
I have a friend that alway says…”Hey…old cars leak. That’s just what they do.” To this I normally just respond with “Yeah…I guess so.” I say this because he has pride in his work he does on his cars and I’m not going to poke at him about it.
What I want to say is “Bullstuff!!!!” Not this day in age, there all kinds of reproduction parts and hoses that can be molded and even entire businesses that make custom hoses. If it’s a gasket that’s leaking you can make your own, there’s all kind of gasket material on the market.
If you remember back a bunch of post ago, you may recall my power steering issue with my C4 Vette. Oh…yes…my poor old vette (which now has a new home), leaking everywhere!!!!. I hated that, but it was all fixable, right down to having a place in town customize a power steering hose ( it didn’t actually get that far, the oddly shaped hose turned out to not be the issue.).
The reality is that chasing down a leak is sometimes difficult, almost always time-consuming and the likelihood that it will be expensive is high. So, no old cars don’t have to leak.
What old cars do do (that’s just as funny to type as it is to say) is vibrate. My ’70 Mustang is mostly stock parts, with the exception of polyurethane motor mounts, and it will shake stuff loose, is it a pretty raw machine. A good portion of leaks can be attributed to that alone.
A few weeks ago, I notice a dime sized dot of oil in my driveway….errrkkk….no I’m not a neat freak, my drive has spots (been meaning to get it power washed), but with my older cars I like to keep an eye out for issues. So I climbed under the car and looked around and it appeared that the leak might be from the oil plug it’s self. So I grab my 5/8 ” open end wrench and gave it a bit of a crank. Now you have to be careful, especially with the type of oil pan I have (aftermarket chrome) as it can get out of shape if you over torque the drain plug and really leak. I wiped down the pan so I could tell later on if there might be another leak.
A few drives later I noticed another dime size drip. Only this time it was a bit further back. OF NOTE: My driveway is sloped, and pretty good incline at that. This causes a bit of a problem determining exactly where liquid might originate, that whole gravity thing, ya know. This drip did seem a bit further back then the last.
Again I check the oil pan and this time the oil pan gasket between the engine and the block. Nope no oil. So I go topside and start checking the valve covers. And sure enough there, there appears to be a leak in the rear of the left value cover. Not really a big deal, looks like it’ll just need new valve cover gasket, this 302 engine is wide open in the engine bay with lots of room (nothing like the 84 Vette was to get to).
I then recalled that FelPro gaskets were used and I specifically chose the type used on drag cars, designed so that you can pop the valve covers over between heats to make adjustments. This particular set of valve covers that I purchased when restoring the car came with bolts that tighten with an allen wrench.
Just in case:
So I thought…to myself (really….can you think to anyone else?) “I wonder if they are all tight?” Sure enough they were all loose. Hence the oil leak. I tightened them all down, wiped down the engine where I could reach and drove it a couple of days. No leaks!!! Now I make it a habit to check those every so often. This is BTW a good tip if you drive your muscle or vintage car.
Now the latest leak, I noticed a couple of days ago. I check the liquid laying in my drive (only about the size of a quarter) and it was power steering fluid. I’m thinking oh…NO..not again!!! I didn’t even look under the car and went straight to the computer and did a quick search for new power steering parts for my 70 Mustang. What I found wasn’t horrible, as in, well no retirement for me, got to fix up this ‘stang, but bad enough price wise to see if it was repairable.
So I crawled under the Mustang (or hunk of iron, as my wife calls it…or maybe she was calling me the hunk :^ ) and took a look. Yup, there was a leak but it appeared to be coming from the flared steel hose fitting going into the power steering unit.
A couple turns with a 1/2″ open end wrench and again wiped down area. I keep checking back to see if any new leaks appear.
I can say… right now…. that my 70 Mustang doesn’t leak….I don’t think!!!
So now I stand corrected, sort of. Old car do leak, hey new cars leak!! However, they don’t have to stay that way.
Tips:
1. Check under your muscle or vintage car for any liquid (hey…it’s ok if is just water from you AC..usually) on a regular basis.
2. Get under the hood and after your ooo’ss and aaahhh’s at your magnificent creation, tight things up. ( I always ooo and aaahhh!!!)
3. Get the car up in the air “”SAFELY”” and check the fittings you can’t see or reach from the top side.
4. Chase down the leaks and clean the area to make checking for a continued leak easier.
Thanks for reading.
Tim
Awesome… You give fantastic information and advice. Keep up the brilliant work.
Glad your leaks so far are an easy fix with a wrench. Reminds me of the time ye ol’Chrysler LeBaron was leaking about a pint a day out the backside of the motor, and I tried the simple solution of a valve cover gasket swap.
Unfortunately that did not solve the leak.
So, I took the car to Speedway Automotive on advice from a friend. They put dye into the oil and searched with an ultraviolet light. They called me with the bad news-a cracked head, and a $3,400 estimate. WHAT??!!?? That car has NEVER overheated, and is not known for craked heads (Mitsubishi 3.0 V6). So I paid the $69 diagnostic fee and took ye ol’LeBaron back home to ponder it’s future.
I decided to buy lots of Valvoline 5W30 and weather the leak out for awhile, but advice from another fellow MOPAR guy suggested it was not the head, but rather the cam seals. Wanting to save ye ol’LeBaron, I did something that was against my deepest convictions-I went to a dealership for service.
The next day Steve Christy’s service department gave me the good news. For a mere $381.68 I would get new cam seals, valve cover gaskets, serpentine belt, and no oil leaks. I happily paid the money and went on my way.
But, the story doesn’t end here. I got a post card in the mail from Speedway Automotive telling me that business was slow, and “just for being a good customer”, they’d swap that cracked head for $3,000, and throw in a free ‘carbon removal sevice’ and 104 point inspection. I called the guy up, told him my story, and he said just wait, that head will leak and the mechanic had seen this on “many Chryslers with the 3.0”.
Speedway Automotive went out of business about a month later.
That ‘cracked head’ is still leak free 8 years later.
Nice Blog you have here!
Take care, Bill
Thanks for the comment Bill!!!! See ya soon.
I hate leaks too. Unfortunately the leak on my Ranger is no easy task. The rear of the oil pan. The engine has to come out. AAARRRRGGG!
I’m in the process of “cosmetically” restoring my 86 Tbird. The pan plug leaks like a sieve. That’ll be cured when I get to the oil change.
My 92 Tbird is cured. The dipstick tube was leaking on the tranny. I gladly paid the $115 for the full service and leak repair. It would have been a bargain at twice the price. That shop will get repeat buisiness from me.
Thanks Steve. Hey how come we don’t have pictures posted of your birds? (Toe tappping!!!))
Well I guess I should eh?? Check you mail. I really hate the 92. The 86 has begun restoration. I’m preparing for paint but have several other tasks to do too.
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